with the same old jokes all the time. And they were 
very enduring. Another thing about McLuhan which 
I found so important to me—and everyone that 
has given me evidence of that has been attractive 
to me—he lived in what I call the absolute present. 
Absolutely there. Entirely in the moment. In a way 
that I can’t even imitate. I have to live with all kinds 
of preoccupation. I feel like a sort of, an air traffic 
controller in my own head. But I like this plugging 
into present part, and that’s the way Marshall 
was. And it was something that I found so 
attractive. Artists are like that. Great artists are, 
they have this quality of just being there.